Friday, December 15, 2006

There is No God

A water cooler conversation

There is No God. Clearly, we can see that. We should see that. At this point in history, after 2 million years of human existence, we should all be on the same page here. After all, what is the effect of all our learning? That most people, even in educated industrialized parts of the world still hold to this pitiful belief in a Creator? Science has answered this irrefutably. We are captive to science and that is all. Even this irrational belief system speaks to the varied evolutions still going on today – some can look at reason and draw logic from it – others can not. Those who can not, can’t even agree on a God-type. Is he Yahweh? Allah? He’s never shown up, so even if he’s there, he’s not powerful enough to be heard. Is he even a he? People, there’s a simple answer for this and I say so without any emotion or loathing or bias whatsoever, there is no God.

Let’s be clear because it may very well be vital to the survival of the human race. There are a multitude of materials that make up the universe, and a hundred or so of which are known to us earthlings. Brick and mortar, people! Complex, yes. Too complex for ancient societies, yes. Such that they developed a belief in God due to there being no other plausible explanation, yes. But let’s end this charade now! We have the technology and scientific knowledge to refute all of this nonsense about God. Scientists can and do find new pieces to the puzzle all the time, but the basis for knowing our origin is evolutionary fact! No serious person can rationalize anything else. And, this understanding, that humans are made up of materials, functional STUFF that allows you and I to breathe, can offer keys to further developments, more understanding, and maybe one day, survival. If only our energies weren’t wasted on philosophical discussions of deity, there’s no telling where we’d be today.

Do you know that your very belief in a God tells me that there is still evolving yet to do? C’mon, get with it! Or is your brain so dominated by your “spirituality” that you can’t reason? Surely a Creator wouldn’t have produced such flawed individuals. Science will show, in the next 50 years, such evidence toward explaining creation and origin and how the human brain works, that no one will hold to this foolishness. Do you really want your legacy to be that of a caveman to your grandchildren? “Daddy, what is that building in the picture?” “Son, that is a church, a place people used to go to worship God.” “Daddy, what are you talking about?” “Well, its tough to explain but people used to think there was this all-powerful being who knew all and controlled all.” “Daddy, teacher says those people are ancient.” “Well, your granddad believed it.” “Daddy, was granddad retarded?”

See? You can do this now or your kids will have to deal with it all. This whole God business is a giant crutch you and other sorry suckers have in their lives to rid yourself of your emotional baggage. Take some freakin’ prozac or whatever! They’ve figured that out too, you know!

Life is, contrary to imbeciles like yourself, survival. This notion of spirit is your rather dysfunctional brain trying to make sense of complexities you don’t understand. Free yourself, man! You are a pitiful slave, living life in service to a nothing! You’ve been handed a lie from someone who didn’t know better, but you should know better, and you should not be feeding your kids this crap. Try to rid your brain of all this twisted emotional response and you’ll see things more clearly. It’s not that hard, perhaps a course in logic 101 could help you. Get your head out of that biblical mythology and into some science and you’d know how the brain works. It will actually stagger you when you realize how far you have developed in comparison to your ancient counterparts. They would have loved to have had the sophistication that you have right there inside that little noggin. You just have to access it.

Those impulses, the desires, your dreams? They’re just an imagination affected by your experiences and frankly more proof that you need more evolution. The brain is a series of computative neurological events that lead you to think and do. The smartest guy in the world is merely a series of well organized electrical work! The dumb guy is short-circuited. You think you love God? You just aren’t wired right yet. Nature still has some work to do on you. Your brain triggers this and then that and presto, you’ve gone back to the stone age in a millisecond. You don’t love God! You perceive something positive that triggers a glandular process and springs some type of hormone to be processed and your background tells you that’s love. That is science! Preparing for you some type of important survival message and you aren’t listening!

Yes, that’s right. Your actions are directed by nothing more than brain matter combined with nerve activity. Uh-huh. Now you’re getting it Einstein. There’s nothing spiritual about it. It is a natural and predictable response, no more different, although more complex, than a computer.

No, that doesn’t mean we’re super-computers, you idiot. A super-computer can make like, a billion computations per second. Can you? Machines aren’t made of flesh and blood, they’re man-made. Yes, we’re made biological but we behave much like them...only better...in some ways.

No, no, no. You’ve misunderstood. I didn’t say we’re machines. Do machines eat, sleep, and crap? We’re very special, autonomous beings and a machine is an object to perform whatever we want it to. No, the brain isn’t the same thing. We control it. I mean, yeah, it controls us but it is so highly developed that it does what is best. Its complicated and I’m getting twisted around. We control the brain and then it controls us. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s it, but truth be told, we don't yet know everything there is to know about it. We will though. That’s the beauty of it! The brain is a wonderful thing that has untapped potential for a free and fulfilled life. You’re locked up in this slavery mentality to some Creator and I’m free to do what my brain tells me to do. Wait, that came out wrong. Again, I'm not sure exactly.

You see basically, the human is designed for SUR-VI-VAL. I don’t know how to make that any clearer. Why? So we don’t die off, duh! Why does it matter if we do? Hmmm. Well, if you don’t care about furthering the human race, I don’t know what to say to that, pretty immoral if you ask me.

Yes, I said designed, but I didn’t mean designed. We were formed. No. We just were! But that’s the genius of it!

Who’s the genius? That’s a silly question, there is no genius. I’m saying the system is genius. Whose system? You know the system is ours. We are the system. Did I create me? Now you’re just being difficult. Look, you should be proud that you are a part of a very highly developed race of people at this particular time in history.

Is pride a rational thought? I don’t know, I guess. Maybe pride was the wrong thing to say. But you should feel empowered because you are empowered. No, not feel. You should think of yourself as empowered. And thinking of yourself as empowered when you are empowered is very rational.

Empowered relative to God? No, because there is no such thing! Sorry to have to tell you this, but you are part of the most powerful force in the world, humanity. We're empowered relative to other creatures! It is important because it is up to us to take care of the earth. That's right, we're care-takers.

For whom? Oh boy, this isn't getting through to you, is it? For us! We need to take care of the earth for us and the other creatures ... we're the ones desingned...wait! Not designed, equipped, ... by nature only ... we're equipped to take care of nature. It's our moral duty.

Morals? Why, I’m glad you asked. Merely designed to keep us going. We’ve developed to such a level that now our laws are even more to that end. Keep everyone alive and further the human development. Yeah, I guess it is pretty much self-preservation. What does morality have to do with self-preservation? I told you, morals are built in to us to preserve us and our offspring!

Who built moras into us? We're not back to that again, are we? Look, its important to further humanity and I don’t know exacly how to explain that to you, OK? It just is and I’m surprised you of all people don’t see that!

Look, if you want to go on believing in your God, you go right ahead. You’re wasting your life. Yes, I think you’re right, it would be like a high powered computer that you bought and you’re using it to play games or goof off. What’s wrong with that? It’s unproductive! Than why produce? Geez, you ask the dumbest questions. You produce to provide. Duh.

I don’t have time to waste with you any longer. Suffice to say, you need some help and obviously, I can't help you. You'll have to get this on your own. I on the other hand will live a rational life, free of damaging emotions, and geared toward making the next generation better. Why should I care about the next generation? Why don’t you just shut up!

OK. Last statement and if you don’t see this now, you really are lost. We’re nothing more than a marvelous cosmic event of math and science and we’ve developed into the sophisticated and logical creatures that you see before you. This spiritual world, as you see it, in fact all life, is a series of brain activity signaling various and complex events. You simply react to what it is telling you to do, based on your senses.

Well, that’s a good question. I don’t know exactly what we’ll be like when we’ve fully evolved. I guess we’ll be a lot like your God. But, you’ll be logical, rational, and your brain will not trick you with all these things you struggle with. Your mind will be perfectly controlled.

Controlled by what? Controlled by your impulses. But the impulses come from the brain, so I guess I misspoke. Your brain will perfectly be IN control.

Yes, in a way, you’re controlled now by your mind. But you need to let the mind control you. That would be perfect development. Once it is fully functional without all this nonsense about a spiritual self. Yes, I suppose that would make you a computer of sorts and we will evolve into a super-computer. That’s a weird way to look at it but if that helps you.

Well, I see what you're saying. Yeah, you'd then be kind of like a slave to your brain but your brain IS you. You can't be a slave to yourself, can you?

You'd rather be a slave to God than to brain mattter? You say the craziest things!

But that’s the beauty of it! With an evolved mind free from a belief in God, there really is no ultimate purpose. No real “morals”. Good, bad, love, hate, they’re figments of your faulty wiring. No reason to do anything except sustain yourself, and outside of emotions, no real reason to even do that. No significance. No meaning. Just living man! Doesn't that sound great? It doesn't?

Do I sound upset? Yes, I’m upset.

This sounds depressing to you? Well, coming from a person driven solely by his so-called spirit, that doesn’t surprise me. You're so caught up in the Bible and God and emotions and spirit. You need to be set free!!! Free to do what? Man, I thought I covered that. Free to act perfectly rational and to further the cause of humanity. There's nothing more important than that.

Let me see if I understand you. If there is no God, you don't see the importance of furthering humanity?

That's because you're so captive to it! Me, I'm not captive to anything or anybody except my own well-developed mind, a series of neurological events that produce thought and action. When you see that, maybe you'll get what I'm talking about. Do I SOUND like a slave?

I do? You're worse off than I imagined. Look, I gotta get back to work. My guess is, you'll live the rest of your life as a foolish man, still believing in your God. Then again, who knows, because I once thought as you do. I guess I have to admit...

There is always hope.

4 comments:

jeebs said...

Good dialogue on the flawed logic that is all too often cloaked by a superior sounding intellectualism. In the end, it's foolishness. Our sense of morality, the interconnectedness of all things, the precision of nature (the water cycle, the sun and earth, the seasons, the relationship between plants and animals, reproduction, etc,...) and our innate desire to change the future, leave a legacy, make a difference all give great evidence for design, for a higher good, for a good beyond ourselves. It's unavoidable.

Toom said...

Right - and short of proof of the spiritual, to make a case that the absence of spiritual is in any way a good thing, a worthwhile thing, even NOT an utterly deplorable, disgusting, and hopeless thing, is futile. You're really making a case for utter insignificance and why would anyone want to do that? Ironically, we often hear the "robot" argument (particularly in Reformed theology) and it is not without merit, to a degree. But viewing life as a series of cause and effect, of brain and impulse, of life, then death: its the robot concept taken to an extreme.

I'm assuming that most athiestic thought is scientiffically driven and survivalist, the human 'spirit', perhaps, being the number one goal. And I'm sitting there thinking what a worthless goal.

My answer to Kramer's asking, "Do you have any conceivable reason for getting up in the morning?" would be a resounding "NO" under these circumstances. I shudder to think what my values and morals would be.

jeebs said...

Ecclesiastes resounds with the word, (KJV) "Vanity,"/ (NIV) "Meaningless." The writer struggles not so much with a disbelief in God but with an inability to make sense or derive purpose from his observations and understanding of life. For without purpose there is nothing but self and the here and now. Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die. However, born within us is the question "Why?" When tragedy happens we ask "Why?" When the wicked prosper we ask, "Why?" We have a sense of what is right; a desire for justice; a quest to make sense of it all. Without this, all is meaningless, including evolution, charity, and justice. All that remains is for me to get mine.

Having studied Ecclesiastes (with great frustration) he seems to conclude that while he still does not understand and he cannot make sense of all that he sees, he trusts God. In the end, "Love God, and keep His commands."

jeebs said...

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